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Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« on: February 22, 2008, 07:15:52 AM »

No one knows for sure where Twilight Princess fits into the timeline currently. And we probably will never get a straight answer from Nintendo. All of what follows is pretty much just a theory I am throwing out there. Tell me what you think.

My theory is that Twilight Princess fits into the series after Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, but before The Great Flood and The Wind Waker. It is a good idea to read my article on Ocarina of Time's ending before reading this in order to fully understand this article.

When Link defeats Ganondorf in the end of Ocarina of Time, the Seven Sages send Ganondorf into the realm which he wanted so desperately to control. Zelda then sends Link back in time, so he can warn her younger self of the evil Ganondorf will cause. The sages gather in the younger Link's time and capture Ganondorf. They make plans to have hom executed using a ceremonial blade. But at his execution, Ganondorf breaks his bindings and begins to scream with rage. In the spur of the moment, the King of Hyrule uses the Mirror of Twilight to seal Ganondorf away into the Twilight Realm. So Ganondorf was sealed away in the same realm that the ancient Twili race was sealed in hundreds of years before.

After Link had returned from his trip to find Navi, which had proved to be unsuccessful, he had settled down in Hyrule Castle with the Royal Family. He lived a great life, what was left of it. He passed away in the peace of the Royal Family. A time of peace, rightfully called The Great Peace, followed Link's death. The races prospered and trade flourished between Hyrule and other surrounding lands. Huge renovations were made on the land of Hyrule, extending its borders, and redesigning everything. A hundred or so years passed by before evil would threaten the land again.

This is where Twilight Princess comes into play. The land of Hyrule became covered in Twilight, and the land was once again threatened by Ganon. Ganondorf used a puppet, called Zant, to lead him out of the Twilight Realm. The Hero of Hyrule, Link, defeated both the puppet and the puppet master before they could rule Hyrule, though. However, this time, when Link defeated Ganondorf, Ganondorf was not sealed away into anywhere, instead, he fled. Ganondorf went into hiding as he used his powers acquired in the Twilight Realm to build up an army. The worlds were separated; and the Mirror of Twilight smashed. The Master Sword was placed under the care of the King of Hyrule. It was placed in a special pedestal in Hyrule Castle.

The Hero of Hyrule that had defeated Ganon in Twilight Princess passed away. As the years passed, the memory of the Twilight in Hyrule became no more than a bedtime story. Ganondorf no longer threatened Hyrule, but still remained alive. And he actively searched for the Triforce which he so longed to posses.

Then, one day, Ganondorf managed to open a passage way between the real world and the Sacred Realm. He reached in and grasped the Triforce. Of course, the Triforce split into three pieces, with Ganondorf left with the Triforce of Power. The other two pieces of the Triforce went to the lines of the Royal Family and the Hylian Knights. Ganondorf used his newfound power to turn the Sacred Realm into a twisted, evil world, called the Dark World. Ganondorf built up his army in the Dark World, and, when the time was right, he marched them all upon Hyrule Castle.

This is where the Great Flood occurred. King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule commanded his army to defend Hyrule Castle while he evacuated all of the inhabitants. The people cried out to the gods for mercy in their despair. The King, in the midst of all of the chaos, fell into a deep trance, in which the goddesses appeared to him. They warned him of Ganondorf's power, and the damage he may cause. They instructed him to tell the people to flee to the mountain tops. They then told him to go to the lower floors of Hyrule Castle and draw the Master Sword when the rain began.

When King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule woke up, he found himself floating in water in the castle yard. It was pouring down rain. He could hear the shrill shrieks of the Army of Hyrule outside. He ran inside the walls and instructed the people to run to the mountain tops. To everyone's surprise, it began to rain harder and harder. The King reached the basement of the castle and pulled the Master Sword from its stone.

Everything froze. The gods came down and woke up the King and told him that when he had pulled the Master Sword, everything under the mountains had frozen in mid-step. They allowed the King to wake up, and they told him to place the Master Sword back in its place, for it would be the key keeping Hyrule frozen. They then instructed the King to find the next Hero, and set him free.

The rain continued to fall, and all of the old Hyrule was covered with a great sea. It would be near a thousand years before the next Hero would appear.

And thus begins The Wind Waker.
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 08:11:14 AM »

If Twilight Princess fits in there(which it might) then ALttP would have to go after or before it, because ALttP and TP share a lot of similarities.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 05:15:01 PM »

it goes after. it belongs in the new hyrule era:

Old Hyrule:
  - OoT
  - MM
  - TP
  - The Great Flood

No Hyrule:
  - TWW
  - PH

New Hyrule:
  - OoS
  - OoA
  - LA
  - TMC
  - FS
  - FSA
  - ALttP
  - LoZ
  - TAoL

it cant go directly after because ganondorf cannot die because he has to induce the great flood. and it cannot go before TP because it is impossible for Link to have a previous Link as his father because the one from OoT had to have died. i know this because the people that Agahnim was capturing were the descendants of the sages. descendants, not daughters. it would also have taken a while for the family line to forget of their ancestors, which is explained with the expanse of time from OoT to ALttP.

i hope that made sense. :D
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 07:09:03 PM »

Yeah, thats what I meant.
But then again...theres a slight problem to where you put TP in. At the end of TP, we don't know what happened to Ganon(dorf). Either he was killed(which he was not), he was sealed again, or his human body was destroyed. I'm going with the later for now, because at the end of TP the ToP seemed to have activated slightly...probably saving Ganon(dorf)'s spirit...meaning only his human body was destroyed.
If that is the correct occurance, then his spirit would go to his pure evil form aka Ganon...
But we may never know, since TP ended dumb.

EDIT:

I found a fatal flaw with this theory. At the start of it, you say that Link warns Zelda about Ganondorf, and they go to capture him and seal him away(like they show in TP) but that can't be true unless Ganondorf already has the ToP, because in TP it shows him with supernatural strength. And he would only have the ToP if the door of time was opened and all that stuff in OoT happens...

EDIT2:

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After Link had returned from his trip to find Navi, which had proved to be unsuccessful, he had settled down in Hyrule Castle with the Royal Family. He lived a great life, what was left of it. He passed away in the peace of the Royal Family. A time of peace, rightfully called The Great Peace, followed Link's death. The races prospered and trade flourished between Hyrule and other surrounding lands. Huge renovations were made on the land of Hyrule, extending its borders, and redesigning everything. A hundred or so years passed by before evil would threaten the land again.


During this "time of peace" that has to be the time where in TWW they state that Ganon(dorf) came back, and because the hero of time was gone(dead) the gods flooded Hyrule. How did Ganon(dorf) come back? The seal holding him in the Sacred Realm must have worn out..

EDIT3:

Actually theres a ton of things wrong, but I dont feel like typing it all out...so I'll wait for you to reply xD
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 08:14:48 PM »

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Yeah, thats what I meant.
But then again...theres a slight problem to where you put TP in. At the end of TP, we don't know what happened to Ganon(dorf). Either he was killed(which he was not), he was sealed again, or his human body was destroyed. I'm going with the later for now, because at the end of TP the ToP seemed to have activated slightly...probably saving Ganon(dorf)'s spirit...meaning only his human body was destroyed.
If that is the correct occurance, then his spirit would go to his pure evil form aka Ganon...
But we may never know, since TP ended dumb.



Wow...

A) TP did end dumb
B) why does the ToP flickering mean that it was saving his spirit? i think that maybe it means that when Ganondorf was defeated, he used his remaining power to save his life, in which case he hid and built up his army before he attacked hyrule castle, which instigated the great flood.

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EDIT:

I found a fatal flaw with this theory. At the start of it, you say that Link warns Zelda about Ganondorf, and they go to capture him and seal him away(like they show in TP) but that can't be true unless Ganondorf already has the ToP, because in TP it shows him with supernatural strength. And he would only have the ToP if the door of time was opened and all that stuff in OoT happens...



i have thought of this. i have two proofs: link, when sent back in time, shows back up INSIDE of the door of time, next to the master sword. when he goes to visit the princess, it is easy to see that link has the triforce glowing on his hand. so this means that ganondorf has touched the triforce because the door of time is open. view the ending video here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ge8zd1ZR-hc (look near the end), or you can just view this image here: http://gallery.zeldalegends.net/categories/Ocarina_of_Time/Screen_Shots/storylinerelated/normal_linktriforce.jpg

my next proof is the fact that the triforce does not have to be touched to call on people. the essence of the triforce calls on link in both oracle games without being touched by an evil one. also, the link in TWW is totally unrelated to the link in OoT (according to Eiji Aonuma). yet the link in TWW bears the same mark on his hand (http://zeldawiki.org/images/1/1e/Triforce_WW.png). so the triforce is not passed down by generation, but chooses its hero and keeper.

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EDIT2:

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After Link had returned from his trip to find Navi, which had proved to be unsuccessful, he had settled down in Hyrule Castle with the Royal Family. He lived a great life, what was left of it. He passed away in the peace of the Royal Family. A time of peace, rightfully called The Great Peace, followed Link's death. The races prospered and trade flourished between Hyrule and other surrounding lands. Huge renovations were made on the land of Hyrule, extending its borders, and redesigning everything. A hundred or so years passed by before evil would threaten the land again.




where did you get this quote?

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During this "time of peace" that has to be the time where in TWW they state that Ganon(dorf) came back, and because the hero of time was gone(dead) the gods flooded Hyrule. How did Ganon(dorf) come back? The seal holding him in the Sacred Realm must have worn out..



no. he was not sealed into the sacred realm. the sages tried to execute ganondorf, but it didnt work so they sealed him in the T.R. he then escaped for TP, but was not killed at the end. that is my whole point of this article. as i decided earlier, his ToP saved him, he hid, built up his armies, and then attacked hyrule castle. he must have built them up over a bunch of years, and link must have died of a sickness or something. but either way, while ganondorf was hiding, hyrule went through the time of peace. when he attacked, no hero came, so the king called on the gods and they froze time and flooded hyrule.

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EDIT3:

Actually theres a ton of things wrong, but I dont feel like typing it all out...so I'll wait for you to reply xD



please type it all up. i still stand behind my theory 100%. no ones disproved it yet! :lol:

EDIT 1:

on ZD, they posted a bunch of zelda oddities for TP, one of which compares the two maps and points out the similarities. view it here: http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda11Oddities.php
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 08:43:47 PM »

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why does the ToP flickering mean that it was saving his spirit? i think that maybe it means that when Ganondorf was defeated, he used his remaining power to save his life, in which case he hid and built up his army before he attacked hyrule castle, which instigated the great flood.


That cant be, because they say there was a time of peace before the evil came back again, and because the hero wasnt there, the gods had to flood.

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i have thought of this. i have two proofs: link, when sent back in time, shows back up INSIDE of the door of time, next to the master sword. when he goes to visit the princess, it is easy to see that link has the triforce glowing on his hand. so this means that ganondorf has touched the triforce because the door of time is open. view the ending video here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ge8zd1ZR-hc (look near the end), or you can just view this image here: http://gallery.zeldalegends.net/categories/Ocarina_of_Time/Screen_Shots/storylinerelated/normal_linktriforce.jpg


Good point, but the ToC is there because that Link is the original Hero...meaning the ToC is with him, if you know what I mean.

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where did you get this quote?


From you XD

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no. he was not sealed into the sacred realm. the sages tried to execute ganondorf, but it didnt work so they sealed him in the T.R. he then escaped for TP, but was not killed at the end. that is my whole point of this article. as i decided earlier, his ToP saved him, he hid, built up his armies, and then attacked hyrule castle. he must have built them up over a bunch of years, and link must have died of a sickness or something. but either way, while ganondorf was hiding, hyrule went through the time of peace. when he attacked, no hero came, so the king called on the gods and they froze time and flooded hyrule.


No...I was talking about from OoT to TWW...thats how he got out. That also means that the split timeline must be true :\
But anyway, we cant just assume Link dies of sickness.

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on ZD, they posted a bunch of zelda oddities for TP, one of which compares the two maps and points out the similarities. view it here: http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda11Oddities.php


Yeah...and in Hidden Village the sign says Kakariko.

ZOMFG
This must mean that the split timeline is true...it makes the most sense.

Byt, IMO, there is no timeline...because what no matter what we do, our theories are always contradicted by something else.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 07:04:04 PM »

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That cant be, because they say there was a time of peace before the evil came back again, and because the hero wasnt there, the gods had to flood.



you ask this question twice. there was peace, GD built up his army during the great peace. see the answer to quote #4

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Good point, but the ToC is there because that Link is the original Hero...meaning the ToC is with him, if you know what I mean.



its with everyhero as i said in my second proof:

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my next proof is the fact that the triforce does not have to be touched to call on people. the essence of the triforce calls on link in both oracle games without being touched by an evil one. also, the link in TWW is totally unrelated to the link in OoT (according to Eiji Aonuma). yet the link in TWW bears the same mark on his hand (http://zeldawiki.org/images/1/1e/Triforce_WW.png). so the triforce is not passed down by generation, but chooses its hero and keeper.




Quote from: "zeypherlink"
Quote from: "The King of Hyrule"
where did you get this quote?


From you XD



ha ha. i thought so.

Quote from: "zeypherlink"
No...I was talking about from OoT to TWW...thats how he got out. That also means that the split timeline must be true :\



HE WAS NEVER SEALED INTO THE SACRED REALM!!!!! at the end of OoT, the sages seal GD away and Zelda REWINDS (not sends back, if she sent link back, he would have met up with himself) time. so NO ALTERNATE WORLD IS LEFT. therefore destroying all possibility of a split timeline. so GD never had to escape anything, cause the only GD alive was the one in the only timeline, the linear one. he got out of the T.R. via Zant as evidenced in TP and was NOT KILLED at the end of TP, allowing him all the time in the world to build up his army and plan his attack on hyrule castle. AS GD BUILT UP HIS ARMY OVER THE 100 YEARS, HYRULE ENTERED THE GREAT PEACE, AND LINK PASSED AWAY.

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But anyway, we cant just assume Link dies of sickness.



why not though? the majority of the timeline is speculation and it doesnt even matter, we can say link died of old age and GD attacked years after link passed away.

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Yeah...and in Hidden Village the sign says Kakariko.



proving TP follows OoT in the same Hyrule (this in no way suggests a split timeline)

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ZOMFG
This must mean that the split timeline is true...it makes the most sense.



there is no split. zelda REWINDS time, not sends link back. this is proved because he would have met himself if he was sent back. whenever link removed the MS from the PoT, it FAST FORWARDED time, and when he removed it, it REWINDED time. never did it send link back or forward in time.

Quote from: "zeypherlink"
Byt, IMO, there is no timeline...because what no matter what we do, our theories are always contradicted by something else.



but all of the contradictions can be refutted. thats the beauty of it :D (i love this)
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 07:36:23 PM »

I can't make anything out of that post...
I'm not argusing where you place TP, I kind of agree on that. Only I'm going with the split timeline...its really the only thing that makes sense.

Especially since Nintendo said TP takes place 10o yrs after OoT.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 04:55:25 AM »

placing TP 100 years after OoT makes no difference in the overall scheme of things. (i actually dont remember them saying that - i remember hearing that TWW took place 800 years after OoT)

but yeah, its a tough subject i guess, but just wait till i finish up this damn article. you're gonna hate me. :lol:
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 09:38:21 PM »

Shigeru himself said that TP is right after OoT/MM.

This is how I prove my quote: There is no game at the moment that says its 100 years after the events in OoT except TP. And in the introduction in TWW, it says a FEW centuries after the Hero of Time. A FEW means 3, so WW's event happend 300 years after OoT. And again, TP is 100 years away from OoT, the game order is OoT, Tp, and then WW/PH.
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 03:27:06 PM »

yep. but actually a "few" in this case means 8. Aonuma told everyone before the release of TWW that TWW takes place over 800 years after OoT.
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 06:22:12 PM »

My dad is a mathmatician, and he says that a few is 3. But whatever the person said, I guess thats true. BTW, who is this soooUhfjg~ guy?
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 07:06:22 PM »

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/few

few is 3+. a couple is 2. by definition (see above), a few is a number not too big but greater than one.

BTW, who is this soooUhfjg~ guy?


what?
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 03:46:01 PM »

Never mind.................. But it was 300 years! Lets see what Zeypherlink will say.
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Re: Where Twilight Princess Fits into the Timeline
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 07:08:11 PM »

looks like were both wrong:

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AONUMA: In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place 100 years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

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